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Where do you draw the line with moochers that are relatives?
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5 years 9 months ago #506031
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Where do you draw the line with moochers that are relatives? was created by 7_of_13
I don't know if there is another thread on here that talks about this, but if there is I couldn't find it But here it is:
I am talking about moochers, unemployed or loser type people in your family that aren't your elderly grandparents or parents. I agree that when your parents are older you should help take care of them if you can. I am talking about that family member, or members, that can't seem to keep a job, are too lazy to work or something or the other. These kind of people that are physically able to work and earn their living, but they either don't want to or can't keep a job at all.
I am in that situation right now with a family member who knows I am in IT and make good money. She seems to think I can just give her money when she needs it. It's really becoming an issue. I love her and all, but my gosh I wish she would get herself off her butt and work for her money like I do.
Have you ever been in that situation? If so, how did you deal with it? Where did you draw the line?
I am talking about moochers, unemployed or loser type people in your family that aren't your elderly grandparents or parents. I agree that when your parents are older you should help take care of them if you can. I am talking about that family member, or members, that can't seem to keep a job, are too lazy to work or something or the other. These kind of people that are physically able to work and earn their living, but they either don't want to or can't keep a job at all.
I am in that situation right now with a family member who knows I am in IT and make good money. She seems to think I can just give her money when she needs it. It's really becoming an issue. I love her and all, but my gosh I wish she would get herself off her butt and work for her money like I do.
Have you ever been in that situation? If so, how did you deal with it? Where did you draw the line?
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5 years 9 months ago - 5 years 9 months ago #506032
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Replied by Colibri5 on topic Where do you draw the line with moochers that are relatives?
Family members such as grandparents or elderly parents in their advanced age is a great honor to help, support and care for them at all times.
I had a similar experience with my half sister, when she finds a stable job, it lasts one to two months, she doesn't take care of it or can't keep it in the long term either because of her sensitivity, pride or selfishness.. Being out of work, or taking vacations, she thought I was an active bank that I can give she money when he needs it. It is not limited to money, its carefree attitude and inflexibility leaves much to say; What can make it difficult is not knowing when to draw the line. I appreciated her very much but everything has a limit and I had to look for alternatives. I faced her and their situation, looking for definitive and optimal solutions. I helped she find a permanent job, I advised she that if she didn't take care of their work, It wouldn't help her anymore. I only helped she with a small amount until she received his monthly salary.I usually forgive his behavior. But the truth is that a complete subtle complacency, is not benign.
Moochers, whether friends or family, are successful because people are ashamed to face them. They usually say "You are not supposed to worry about money, because I will reward you or pay you soon."
I must assume that I should not realize when close friends or family have flaws on this front. And by the time I noticed it, it will be complex, but not impossible to break the pattern. My suggestions to cut the habit at the root, is to learn to say not politely, depending on the present situation and their limits, if it is so necessary to only give a small amount of what you think the other person will need. It is usually complex because these problems are not "etiquette", they are more social and relationship problems.
If your moocher is a family member or close friend, you may want to give they the opportunity to change. I advise a perfectly reasonable answer for repeat moonchers is to change your attitude towards them or if you are friends, leave friendship for a while. Actually, that can be a favor because for mooching it is a habit of self-correction. "If a moocher loses the help of his family or enough friends, he modifies his behavior and will look for solutions to overcome the problem" . Some moochers may exceed the limits of family trust or friendship by getting used to manipulating others to avoid seeking solutions or for paying their fair share.
I had a similar experience with my half sister, when she finds a stable job, it lasts one to two months, she doesn't take care of it or can't keep it in the long term either because of her sensitivity, pride or selfishness.. Being out of work, or taking vacations, she thought I was an active bank that I can give she money when he needs it. It is not limited to money, its carefree attitude and inflexibility leaves much to say; What can make it difficult is not knowing when to draw the line. I appreciated her very much but everything has a limit and I had to look for alternatives. I faced her and their situation, looking for definitive and optimal solutions. I helped she find a permanent job, I advised she that if she didn't take care of their work, It wouldn't help her anymore. I only helped she with a small amount until she received his monthly salary.I usually forgive his behavior. But the truth is that a complete subtle complacency, is not benign.
Moochers, whether friends or family, are successful because people are ashamed to face them. They usually say "You are not supposed to worry about money, because I will reward you or pay you soon."
I must assume that I should not realize when close friends or family have flaws on this front. And by the time I noticed it, it will be complex, but not impossible to break the pattern. My suggestions to cut the habit at the root, is to learn to say not politely, depending on the present situation and their limits, if it is so necessary to only give a small amount of what you think the other person will need. It is usually complex because these problems are not "etiquette", they are more social and relationship problems.
If your moocher is a family member or close friend, you may want to give they the opportunity to change. I advise a perfectly reasonable answer for repeat moonchers is to change your attitude towards them or if you are friends, leave friendship for a while. Actually, that can be a favor because for mooching it is a habit of self-correction. "If a moocher loses the help of his family or enough friends, he modifies his behavior and will look for solutions to overcome the problem" . Some moochers may exceed the limits of family trust or friendship by getting used to manipulating others to avoid seeking solutions or for paying their fair share.
I'm here temporarily, but I'm not from here. While higher your frequency, higher will be your conscience.
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5 years 9 months ago #506036
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Replied by Krystal777 on topic Where do you draw the line with moochers that are relatives?
I would say you have to establish healthy boundaries or you will be pulled under..If you give and give and the situation is not changing.Than maybe it is time to call it quits..People have to take responsibility for themselves and not be lazy..I mean one or two times of helping out financially i can understand maybe..But not if its constantly. Where there is a will there is a way.If the other person is not willing to change for the better..They might be comfortable and complacent..People sometimes have to hit rock bottom in order to change.Losing everything.So they learn to appreciate what they have.If the person is not appreciative of your help and just taking advantage..I would change that and cut them off..There is no excuse to enable someone not to learn and grow..They have to learn to be uncomfortable and go through things that will help them in the long run..Even if they get angry at you and lash out..They need some tough love..Taking care of an elderly grand parent is completly different than enabling a grown adult and more than capable person who can work is different..The elderly cant help that their body is no longer strong enough..But a lazy person can help being lazy..
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5 years 9 months ago - 5 years 9 months ago #506044
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Replied by zen on topic Where do you draw the line with moochers that are relatives?
I have a family member like that in New Zealand. I think he’s been unemployed for about 35 years. But he doesn’t need to ask anyone else for money, the government there gives him enough to survive.
Coming from a different background, i notice how Asian and westerners treat their family differently. For example when my father was successful, he would tossed money to his poor siblings to build houses and all that. Then I have a western family. They do not do that at all,like if someone take from the rich, they have to give back. It’s either too far left or too far right, I think a little of balance is the way to go about it. In my opinion,I think family members can help each other to purchase a small business and let them run it, instead of buying them house.
Coming from a different background, i notice how Asian and westerners treat their family differently. For example when my father was successful, he would tossed money to his poor siblings to build houses and all that. Then I have a western family. They do not do that at all,like if someone take from the rich, they have to give back. It’s either too far left or too far right, I think a little of balance is the way to go about it. In my opinion,I think family members can help each other to purchase a small business and let them run it, instead of buying them house.
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5 years 9 months ago #506045
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Replied by Krystal777 on topic Where do you draw the line with moochers that are relatives?
I have no problem helping family out to.Just if i have someone mooching on me and just sitting on their butts and not doing anything to better their situation?Thats when i stop supplying everything for them.If i see they are putting in genuine effort to better their lives and working on getting themselves together?Than i would support that person as far as i can.I have done so as well.Even had a friend that lived with me because he was homeless and had no job or anything.But i would drive him to his appointments and to get applications to find a job,let him sleep in my spare room so that he was not on the street and lacking the sleep needed to work..He helped me with chores in the house in return and i was thankful for the help.So yeah.Depends..I have been told i have a huge heart and i am not like most westerners.I have opened my doors to others as well..I have had people take advantage of it and i had to cut them off.Got too expensive after awhile.Them not bothering to pull their own weight.I love caring for others and helping out.I dont believe anyone is unhelpable.Just sometimes they need a shove out of the nest..And need a push out the door and need some tough love..
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