Cultural appropriation

Hmmm the girls in those pics are looking sooo unnatural really I'd rather be considered masculine than looking like this :/
Is that this girl "venusangelic" ? O.o she's really creeping me out o.o she also seems so fake it's almost like she'd be forced to do that
I'm not quite sure what to think about this topic ... Looking doll-like is okay to a certain extent but those examples are just over the top :/
~ *hugs* Elli

The funny thing about Anglo-white gender relation that they discover Vampire narratives in today Romania to bear up their inherent contradictions. This is actually a very funny example of cultural appropriation:

In Interview with a Vampire there is a scene with the child vampire Claudia who gaze at a hot creole women. Sexyness is a very valuable cultural capital for teen girls. Lestat complement her for her taste for women. He actually makes her feel sad, because she must stay a child girl. Claudia get mesmerized with this women and that happens. Look at the symbolism of the dolls



Claudia is actually like a doll. Girls like to play with dolls to exercise for their role as mother. The two white vampire Louis and Lestat make a white child girl a vampire doll to fix there (homosexual) relationship. Louis even takes her in his coffin.



Claudia shows a variation of penis envy because she cannot make the creole woman a vampire and get a mate for herself. The Vampire child Claudia lost her ability for sexual reproduction. She is dependent on white men to get a adult doll.

Seems very pedo-bear-like xD
Never saw that movie until the end... Or even half of it tho :/

If I have heard of the different types of relationships between the two. Anglo woman in Europe model after the dolls because they found then beautiful. They treasured them in the 40's and treated them as if they were children. Modeling after these dolls on seemed natural the dolls was actually a replication of themselves. It was during times of war this dolls brought comfort. The japanese recieved a doll of american for the United states and in return they send on back. I myself found it to a bolder sense the romantic times of music and art. Wouldn't it also be a symbolism of a different time. Dolls have contributed to such a important and often have I found romancing with a different time periods to be a simple matter of tribute. She's just a different artist I like that. There`s not wrong with it and she doesn't just model the 40s as her only look. The fish face doesn't work here but from what it seems from the pictures. She has a good definable look that replaces them well. Anglo Saxon have all ways model after dolls in Germany it was a free to express in darker times.
Many cultures have been linked to dolls all over the world before there was even a connection to geisha Its just their actual culture. I Happen to have Anglo Saxon and Scottish as well as French mixed in me. Our culture happen to be mostly the adaptive. The adoption of many things into one culture is not uncommon. Im a small woman with a long torso and I don't find my self to model that culture. I also have huge eyes small nose and thick lips. But I never claimed a different culture. She has large eyes.

This sums up my thoughts of her: encyclopediadramatica.es/Kotakoti

I actually remember when her sister and her were myspace famous. Sad.

I think the desire to look like a doll is a big problem in the Anglosphere. The Anglosphere is the homeland of political liberalism and neoconservatism that value individualism most. It is not possible to articulate dissent with social relation and gender relation in capitalism outside of a liberal mindset.

There is a film adaption of the novel "American Psycho" written by Bret Easton Ellis. The character are taken from a yuppie social circle. Yuppie lifestyle is like living in a puppet house. Men are like Ken and women are like barbie - a life dedicated to consumption and shallow small talk. The protagonist Paul adapt to this norms because he wants to be inside the hip crowd, but he starts feeling alienated from himself.



The attempt to optimize an outer fascade for the gaze of others is actually a female strategy to gain social acceptance. In the Anglosphere there is an acceptance for bloody violence for representing a claim of a masculine self. Anglo-white men kill Anglo-white women in almost every genre of literature and film. The funny thing is the male dolls - his friends - are killed also, because the protagonist Paul becomes a serial murder in the attempt to gain real feelings of an inner self.



Naturally - as always - Anglo-white women are casted as prostitutes and fashion victims to get a reason to murder them because they do not deserve to life why there are no reason for existence for them. It is like an outcry against capitalism. Kill all female dolls and society will become humanize again.



I read the novel. I find the social critique very disturbing. European and Chinese writers will write libraries of protest novel and organize political movement to solve social ills - and get some forum for male bonds. Anglos are in love with lonely wolf who solve problems with insane violence.

hey, just wanted to say I'm from Europe and I've never met any white girl trying to look like a doll (well except those girls that are totally into the anime/manga/k-pop scene). Men would be pretty creeped out by doll-looking girls here, I think. Girls are actually focused on getting a tan, because men prefer tanned girls over here, latina-like. I also saw this in the UK, so many girls are wearing fake tan and put make up on that's darker than their own skin type, people are obsessed with getting a tan in Europe, right now. Don't know what it's like in America though.
I have porcelain skin, for me it's impossible to get a tan, and my skin is perceived as ugly over here. So there's definitely no doll obsession in middle-western Europe!

find me a tranny that looks like her, i offer a generous finders fee

A very disturbing cultural appropriation is the creative usage of islamic religious thought in the USA by Malcolm X. But in the USA it is possible to have anxiety about loss of identity even in romantic relationships with Anglo-white women. I read the autobiography of Malcolm X by Alex Haley. Basically it is a semi-fictional story which imitate the Jesus narrative with another casting of marginal men. Jesus is not a Roman Jew, but an American Negro which happens to be a petty crook named Malcolm Little.



In his time the zoot suit was fashion and many Afro-American straighten their hair.



This is an example:



He got a white girl friend, which is named Sophie (not her real name). In the autobiography it is told that they have sex. This is pretty normal in a relationship. In his later life he came in prison and read a lot. The grievance emerge in his head that white women used black men as means to accumulate cultural capital - hippness from black culture. He confess that he also instrumentalize white women to get respect by fellow black men. The funny thing is that he feel brainwashed by white beauty standards and considered the conk and black fashion as gesture of submission to the white gaze, because white features like straight hair are imitated.

Black men are basically like dolls for white women that must choose hairstyle, body repertoire and fashion carefully. That is the biggest catastrophe possible in the mind of American men - submission to subordinate white female gaze. In order to prove that he is a real man, he started campaigning for the Nation Of Islam. White women are now the devil. Black folk are the original men and white folk are created by an black scientist Yakub. He renamed himself to Malcolm X.



This psychological operation has the advantage that you get millions of silenced black women for role playing of real manhood. Women has nothing to say in the gender ideology of Nation Of Islam. It only requires that you submit yourself to God's gaze that is another method to live as a puppet under the guidance of Allah.



Religion serves as stage for malehood, because other games for adult men are blocked.

Vertigo,

Thank you for the critiques. I found your points very interesting. Great examples of the shifting sands of cultural capital and social power within "Anglosphere" society (Never heard that word but i think it's effective in this discussion)

I too feel some discomfort at the doll girls' self-infantilization or really more to the point, self-objectification. While I can certainly admire the technical artistry and visual effects of this style, the social message it conveys is less than desirable. Women being party to their own commodification and consumption is an ongoing phenomenon.

"Why should you care," some would ask. "It's not your body!" In fact, this type of complicit behavior only serves to endorse the gender power imbalance in society. And I experience the effects of that imbalance every day of my life. (Not to sidetrack, but for example: Street harassment by strange men every. single. day. My gender only makes 70 cents for every man's dollar. My government is run overwhelmingly by older white men continuing to make decisions about my medical options like I am a child with no ability to make those decisions for myself. )

So yes, I do have a stake in it, and am entitled to an opinion on the fashion statements other people choose to make. Personally I am very careful with the messages I broadcast into the world via my clothes. And while I enjoy costumes a great deal, you have to recognize what those choices are saying to others not just about you personally, but also about the categories of human being that you are part of.

These concepts of women as irrational, infantile, unable to fend for themselves, being weak, emotional, dependent, hysterical, and so on, are pervasive and deep-seated. Dressing up like a living doll doesn't help us move forward and out into better conceptions of women as complete, sovereign human beings.

On the topic of African American fashions and the social messages in them.. It has long saddened me how UNpopular it is for Afican American women to wear their hair in its natural texture. Women spend unbelievable amounts of money on hairstyles like weaves or straightening, due to a beauty standard that holds up straight (caucasian) hair texture as the most beautiful. I hope you have seen the documentary Good Hair - highly recommended look into this!

I was going to put something in here apologizing for this post turning into a rant. But ya know what? I'm not apologizing. Enjoy! Hope you all have some comments back!