Biggest Boxing Fight Ever is on this coming May between Floyd Mayweather Jr & Manny Pacquiao

ZeroPH wrote:

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Brunken wrote: And wasn't that the after Manny got into politic's and just didn't have as much time to train anymore?

Well Manny was winning and doing well in most of the Marquez fight until that flash knockout, so I dont think he was under-trained. It's just one of those "lucky" shots that sluggers tend to get; blocking and getting beat up until that moment when they see a weakness in the defense.

But who knows, you could be right that his political career played a part in messing with his focus.

JMichael wrote:

Brunken wrote: And wasn't that the after Manny got into politic's and just didn't have as much time to train anymore?

Well Manny was winning and doing well in most of the Marquez fight until that flash knockout, so I dont think he was under-trained. It's just one of those "lucky" shots that sluggers tend to get; blocking and getting beat up until that moment when they see a weakness in the defense.

Marquez is one of the most intelligent counter punchers in the game breh. Furthest thing from a slugger.

DinkinFlicka wrote: Marquez is one of the most intelligent counter punchers in the game breh. Furthest thing from a slugger.

Not gonna deny that, he's a very talented counterpuncher but not everyone can agree counterpunching is a style (a preference) so much as it is a technique (a tool learnt to fit the occasion). E.g. Mayweather is a great counterpuncher but his style is categorized as out-fighting/boxing.

The way Marquez was constantly moving forward, taking a beating and returning mostly single powershots of his own, I felt his style that night more closely resembled slugging.

That's just the way I saw it though, others could see it differently.

I hope the fight happens, but as usual I won't be surprised or pissed that the fight won't happen. Floyd should just retire and get into something else.

JMichael wrote:

DinkinFlicka wrote: Marquez is one of the most intelligent counter punchers in the game breh. Furthest thing from a slugger.

Not gonna deny that, he's a very talented counterpuncher but not everyone can agree counterpunching is a style (a preference) so much as it is a technique (a tool learnt to fit the occasion). E.g. Mayweather is a great counterpuncher but his style is categorized as out-fighting/boxing.

The way Marquez was constantly moving forward, taking a beating and returning mostly single powershots of his own, I felt his style that night more closely resembled slugging.

That's just the way I saw it though, others could see it differently.

Interesting points.

A lot of May's hand picked opponents are known to be aggressive sluggers, which allows him to be so defensive and not initiate. Guaranteed if he fought someone like Bradley, he'd likely initiate more. May does get some good counters in but notice how he is almost never described as a counter puncher. He's known as an extremely defensive out-fighter. He doesn't really use them as finishers but more so just to obtain points.

Just my opinion, but Marquez never at any point looked like a slugger in his Pac fights. Just did what he needed to do in order to not let Pac have the upper hand in a big way in those fights. As a counterpuncher, you can't wait for the opportunities to come all the time. Sometimes you need to make them yourself. A guy like Pac really doesn't make mistakes often. Sure he's aggressive but his style is offensive, quick, volume punching.

Almost guarantee if Marquez fought guys like Guerrero, Alvarez, or Maidana he'd be a lot more withdrawn. They are sluggers imo. Marquez isn't.

Since the knockout by Marquez, his defence improved and slightly cautious when aiming to KO opponents.

Yagairudi wrote: I hope the fight happens, but as usual I won't be surprised or pissed that the fight won't happen. Floyd should just retire and get into something else.

He'll never retired, too many women to beat up

DinkinFlicka wrote: May does get some good counters in but notice how he is almost never described as a counter puncher. He's known as an extremely defensive out-fighter. He doesn't really use them as finishers but more so just to obtain points.

Isn't Mayweather widely regarded as one of the best counterpunchers? So is Marquez actually. But they still fight with different styles; one is an outfighter with long-range weaker punches, the other is a mid-range power puncher. To me, in the Pacquiao fight, Marquez didn't throw enough combinations to be considered a 'swarmer', and didnt have too many movements to be considered a boxer either (he was still fast though, since this is welterweight). It's possible he was a hybrid.

Here are two powershots he made that night that resembled slugging to me:

He also rarely threw combinations throughout that night and rarely fought on the outside in a traditional "boxer style".

DinkinFlicka wrote: Just did what he needed to do in order to not let Pac have the upper hand in a big way in those fights. As a counterpuncher, you can't wait for the opportunities to come all the time. Sometimes you need to make them yourself.

That's a good point, maybe Pacquiao's approach forced him to behave in a certain way (after all, Pacquiao is no picnic to defend against). Though strictly judging on his combination counts, low mobility and powershots that night, IMO he was just closer to slugging than the other styles (lighter weight slugging being less clear-cut and obvious than in the heavy weights). Hybrid is possible too; maybe a technical slugger.

I could be wrong, since these are just descriptions and not many fighters will fit exactly into a mold.

Getting close.

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