Why is nudity forbidden?

lonewolfandcub wrote:
Thank you for your reply and to all the moderators for their tireless work.

I hope it won't seem that I am being stubborn or argumentative, but I just have a couple follow up questions based on your reply, asked in good faith...

1. If minors cannot be verified, why have a PG-13 board at all? Verification on any site must be problematic at best so doesn't it come down to a question of legal liability? This could easily be addressed as I mentioned by creating an Adult board or using NSFW tags.

(1a. The prohibition on public nudity is different from the control of content on the internet for the very reason that I expressed earlier: this is a private site, subject to its own rules. I was just asking why those rules include a ban on nudity when it seems to cater to adults and open discourse.)

2. You've discussed the issue of misuse of personal nudes, and I agree that such risky behavior certainly carries a high potential for abuse, regardless of prohibition and should be highly cautioned. However, this certainly does occur on the forum and in fact has even led to cases of blackmail and abuse, yet exchange of nudes is not forbidden. Selfie posters beware!!

Why then the prohibition against non-personal, non-pornographic nudity?

Like, could I post a YouTube video of Milo Moire's performance-art protest against sexual discrimination and objectification by allowing strangers to fondle her breasts in a discussion of art?

Could I post a picture from a movie with nudity on my Hey-Ai blog as a personal expression of my tastes and aesthetics?

I think the premise is flawed. People and children do not need to be protected from nudity (or profanity for that matter). They need to be protected from the threat of abuse, perversion and exploitation.

"No personal, exploitive, or pornographic nudity allowed. Any nudity should be clearly labeled and occur within a clearly discernible context, and not simply to arouse, provoke or harass."

Wouldn't such a disclaimer solve the problem?

Again, thank you for your attention in this admittedly minor concern. I'm happy with whatever decisions the admins and mods make, but I am looking for some oversight and some transparency.

Best regards,

Lonewolf/David

No dramas, I'm personally glad to see a topic like this come up for discussion which also serves to raise awareness.

To respond to your post:
1. The PG13 forum provides an opportunity for members to discuss age sensitive topics; more often than not, things of a sexual nature which is monitored and tolerated at the discretion of the respective mod/admin in the best interest of the site. In the instance the line is too far blurred, there is a process in place amongst other mods and admin to determine outcome.

Re Adult board: The burden of risk and managing NSFW items to align with the site guidelines and general values takes up resource which we don't have. Just be conscious that this entire site is run voluntarily and barely makes ends meet, significantly relying on the generosity of its members donating. I'll bump the idea up with the team and hopefully get some feedback to pass on. Alternatively if admins are catching onto this feel free to chime in.

2. You can already see the pattern when nudity, adult boards and NSFW items are brought up (straight up from op with reference to nudes). Let's play a scenario. A young blissfully naive person decides to post a thread "Check out my artistic nude" which has selfie nude photos of the member off their phone layered in filters because in that person's mind this is art, unbeknownst of the consequences and there are no mods/admins online. How do you actively manage the negative consequences in due time? You can place a disclaimer, ban the culprit but the damage is already put in motion. We rather prevent that from happening and don't have the resource to actively manage these things. We try not to be in the boat of saying, "well, its your risk, we told you so..." If resource were available, the value in having this in place would need to heavily outweigh the risk of its members and the integrity of the site being compromised.

What happens within a member's inbox messages we are not privy to therefore can't action on, unless they report to a mod/admin with sufficient evidence such as screen shots where rules have been broken which may result in the offender being banned.

Re non personal, non pornographic stuff - You can, the right context to the post will need to be provided, however it's ultimately to the discretion of the mod and admin team whether it is allowed or not. Note we make these decisions as a team on an individual case by case basis unless something obviously violates the site guidelines the mod can immediately take it down however is still required to provide a report to the rest of the team why he/she took that course of action.

Re heyai blog - I personally think it's fine if I am convinced of the intent, not of a pornographic nature and something genuine. You may even be asked by a mod/admin for more details to plead the case. Other instances where I may be convinced but by majority am outvoted thus you'd be asked to remove the clip and whatever actions taken deemed appropriate by the team and ultimately chaired by the owners of the site. FYI most instances; we don't have the time nor want to in good faith, scan through individual profiles and posts, it's usually reported by other members.

Re opinion and rest of post - I get your point and in most parts I agree, in others agree to disagree. This is the internet after all, there's no stopping anyone from doing something intentionally inappropriate and all the other stuff we don't want the site to be about, we can only manage it the best we can given the visibility we have. Unfortunately in those cases where it's gone sour, it's been after the fact. We aim to create a friendly environment for asian dudes and non asian dudettes to interact. The site longevity and its member base is testament to how it's been managed. If you haven't already, read up on the guidelines and feel free to inbox any of the mods and admins if you have further queries on any items.

And I should thank you, haven't typed up a post like this in a long time.

kari wrote: The forum needs to be a safe space for everyone, be it young members, people who browse it at work or women who get solicited for nudes despite our rules.
We need to draw the line somewhere and this is it.

There you have it, the boss lady herself.

trolltasm wrote: I obviously can’t speak for everyone, but while I don’t have a problem with nudity, I can’t say I see the appeal of it when it revolves around total strangers.

But when it comes to minors, while I personally agree that profanity and nudity aren’t shameful things to guard against, it’s always been my mindset that it’s as much of a societal decision as it is the individuals raising the children, and my say doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things.

There are quite a lot of parents up in arms against any possible exploitation, and with the recent Olympic doctor case, among others, people are more suspicious and concerned. It’s really unfortunate.

Plus “minor” varies in age by culture and federal laws, so I guess it’d be harder to guard against all proving they are the appropriate age. The idea of “nudity” also seems to vary. I’m not sure a disclaimer would legally suffice for all the countries hey-ai has involved through its membership base.

Obviously, I’m not a mod, so this is purely my conjecture.

Thanks for your thoughtful reply.

Everything you've said seems reasonable and, furthermore, compassionate. So, again, thank you for taking the time to articulate a value-based, rather than emotional response.

I guess I thought of the forum as a place for adults, but did not consider there might be an audience of adolescents.

Teabag wrote: No dramas, I'm personally glad to see a topic like this come up for discussion which also serves to raise awareness.

To respond to your post:
1. The PG13 forum provides an opportunity for members to discuss age sensitive topics; more often than not, things of a sexual nature which is monitored and tolerated at the discretion of the respective mod/admin in the best interest of the site. In the instance the line is too far blurred, there is a process in place amongst other mods and admin to determine outcome.

Re Adult board: The burden of risk and managing NSFW items to align with the site guidelines and general values takes up resource which we don't have. Just be conscious that this entire site is run voluntarily and barely makes ends meet, significantly relying on the generosity of its members donating. I'll bump the idea up with the team and hopefully get some feedback to pass on. Alternatively if admins are catching onto this feel free to chime in.

2. You can already see the pattern when nudity, adult boards and NSFW items are brought up (straight up from op with reference to nudes). Let's play a scenario. A young blissfully naive person decides to post a thread "Check out my artistic nude" which has selfie nude photos of the member off their phone layered in filters because in that person's mind this is art, unbeknownst of the consequences and there are no mods/admins online. How do you actively manage the negative consequences in due time? You can place a disclaimer, ban the culprit but the damage is already put in motion. We rather prevent that from happening and don't have the resource to actively manage these things. We try not to be in the boat of saying, "well, its your risk, we told you so..." If resource were available, the value in having this in place would need to heavily outweigh the risk of its members and the integrity of the site being compromised.

What happens within a member's inbox messages we are not privy to therefore can't action on, unless they report to a mod/admin with sufficient evidence such as screen shots where rules have been broken which may result in the offender being banned.

Re non personal, non pornographic stuff - You can, the right context to the post will need to be provided, however it's ultimately to the discretion of the mod and admin team whether it is allowed or not. Note we make these decisions as a team on an individual case by case basis unless something obviously violates the site guidelines the mod can immediately take it down however is still required to provide a report to the rest of the team why he/she took that course of action.

Re heyai blog - I personally think it's fine if I am convinced of the intent, not of a pornographic nature and something genuine. You may even be asked by a mod/admin for more details to plead the case. Other instances where I may be convinced but by majority am outvoted thus you'd be asked to remove the clip and whatever actions taken deemed appropriate by the team and ultimately chaired by the owners of the site. FYI most instances; we don't have the time nor want to in good faith, scan through individual profiles and posts, it's usually reported by other members.

Re opinion and rest of post - I get your point and in most parts I agree, in others agree to disagree. This is the internet after all, there's no stopping anyone from doing something intentionally inappropriate and all the other stuff we don't want the site to be about, we can only manage it the best we can given the visibility we have. Unfortunately in those cases where it's gone sour, it's been after the fact. We aim to create a friendly environment for asian dudes and non asian dudettes to interact. The site longevity and its member base is testament to how it's been managed. If you haven't already, read up on the guidelines and feel free to inbox any of the mods and admins if you have further queries on any items.

And I should thank you, haven't typed up a post like this in a long time.

Amazing, respectful and tolerant reply!

Thank you sincerely for taking the time to consider where I was coming from, instead of jumping to conclusions and dismissing my concerns. I respect and appreciate you, Teabag, for taking the time to compose such a thoughtful response.

The point you made about lack of moderator resources for patrolling NSFW threads seems pretty clear to me. No counter-argument from my side. I can agree that the potential for abuse or harm perhaps outweighs its utility in terms of cultivating free thought and discussion. Furthermore, its great to hear that there is a process by which sensitive/marginal/controversial posts may be given a form of due process. I can't really ask for more consideration than this, now that the process has been given some transparency. Case closed, as far as I'm concerned.

It was never my intention to try to impose my personal morality on the forum audience, nor to tax the moderators with extra burden.

Also, I am not about to argue with the owner of the house about her hospitality. What the boss says goes! I am grateful and appreciative for the forum, resources and courtesy provided to me as a guest.

Thanks everyone for a fruitful and instructive discussion.

lonewolfandcub wrote:

trolltasm wrote: I obviously can’t speak for everyone, but while I don’t have a problem with nudity, I can’t say I see the appeal of it when it revolves around total strangers.

But when it comes to minors, while I personally agree that profanity and nudity aren’t shameful things to guard against, it’s always been my mindset that it’s as much of a societal decision as it is the individuals raising the children, and my say doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things.

There are quite a lot of parents up in arms against any possible exploitation, and with the recent Olympic doctor case, among others, people are more suspicious and concerned. It’s really unfortunate.

Plus “minor” varies in age by culture and federal laws, so I guess it’d be harder to guard against all proving they are the appropriate age. The idea of “nudity” also seems to vary. I’m not sure a disclaimer would legally suffice for all the countries hey-ai has involved through its membership base.

Obviously, I’m not a mod, so this is purely my conjecture.

Thanks for your thoughtful reply.

Everything you've said seems reasonable and, furthermore, compassionate. So, again, thank you for taking the time to articulate a value-based, rather than emotional response.

I guess I thought of the forum as a place for adults, but did not consider there might be an audience of adolescents.

I think I’m going to second the thanks to you for the logical topic. It’s a nice change of pace from the usual topics in the forum, and a good reminder that we have all types and ages and thus, a plethora of interests and ideas in the community here. Hopefully in your brain bucket you’ve got more logical conversations and questions to offer!

Yeah I am a child lol

Nudity is Forbidden in here or some social media because there are minors who log in here.
The creepy part that scammers or stalkers copy and paste photos or screen shot nude photos or nude webcam scenes.