are you a republican or democrat(liberals)

Oh they switched sides alright, it might not be clear cut and all but a significant portion of southern Democrats started voted Republican after the Civil Rights Act was passed in the 60s. You can see the rebellion happening during that time in the South at elections where states were making the tough decision to either stick with party loyalty or do something different. It was gradual progress that developed over time. By the 80s, most of these southern Democrats switched sides.

Negative, republicans were created as the party against slavery, it took till the 1960's for Democrats to get on board to gain new voters. They were house majority was democrats during the Civil rights act.

Yay: D -153 / R -136

Nay: D- 91 / R- 35

Statistically speaking the yay to nay ratio of republics were higher. Nay from the democrats were 3 times higher then republicans. Keeping that same ratio if republicans owned the house the civil rights act still would have passed. House democrats who supported slavery, KKK and Jim Crow etc died democrats. Republicans started losing voters when the Democrats promised welfare.

thenuge88 wrote: Negative, republicans were created as the party against slavery, it took till the 1960's for Democrats to get on board to gain new voters. They were house majority was democrats during the Civil rights act.

Yay: D -153 / R -136

Nay: D- 91 / R- 35

Statistically speaking the yay to nay ratio of republics were higher. Nay from the democrats were 3 times higher then republicans. Keeping that same ratio if republicans owned the house the civil rights act still would have passed. House democrats who supported slavery, KKK and Jim Crow etc died democrats. Republicans started losing voters when the Democrats promised welfare.

The Republican Party has evolved way beyond their anti-slavery roots and their interests in the last generation has shifted to others things as well. They became the party of business and growth in the United States. They no longer concerned themselves solely on the issue of slavery and the like. When the Civil Rights Act was passed, both northern Democrats and Republicans supported the bill. It was the majority of southern Democrats and Republicans that rejected the bill. Most of these southern Democrats were generally more affluent and feel that the Democratic Party is no longer respecting their individual and states rights. And it just so happens that the Republican Party at the time was talking about the dangers of expanding the federal government and how it may affect business. These ideologies aligned pretty well with those southern Democrats and thus, among other things, they gradually switched over to the Republican side.

This doesn't mean the Republicans are now bad and before, it was the Democrats. This is just politics. Things change and people change. Old ideas die, new ones are created, and some of combined. It's just the nature of things.

I'm an American.

thenuge88 wrote: I notice how subjective the media was, projecting there opinion and thought as factual news and how much they are more like propaganda machines and I slowly fell down the rabbit hole.

I started having more conservative views and started getting attacked and losing my liberal friends and family. I've dated a lot of liberal women, they all slowly started becoming more conservative the more we talked, except for one who called me a racist bigot even tho the democrats are the party of the KKK, Jim crow and slavery, and no they never switched sides, but she didn't care about history or facts for that matter.

....My family fled communism for a free market and we all succeeded I wouldn't want the US to be any other way.

But if I was american, i wouldn't vote for Hillary but only because she is more of a warmonger than people realise. And i never respected Trump so probably would go for bernie. So democratic socialist. A country must always have a dedicated priority to its people. Increasing the middle class, improving education etc

Anyways i actually find your logic to be disturbing. For one, kkk may have been mostly democrats when it started out a very long time ago. But in the 21st century, it has swiitched to mostly republicans. Attacking democrats for that nowadays is kinda weird.

I'm surprised how many asian guys here are republicans. Don't get me wrong, I completely get how silly news can get when it is written to push a political agenda. You rarely find constructive criticism for the opposition . But just unapologetic demonisation for having different ideologies.

However there are a lot of evangalists ranting about gays and trans. I have to admit i am not a religious person bur more of a humanist. I have no beef with cool christians except when for some reason, in today's society. They think gay is a mental illness instead of just being born. I identify with liberals more on that i do think society is better off with secularism. Less religous bs and like you, my views conflict with people who are evangalists. Who are most likely to be republicans. And a lot of republicans spout out racist sh*t so i assumed ethnic minorities wouldn't want to be part of that out of dignity. No offense.

But i think ultimately a society should have rules. Not so strict that people can't be themselves within reason. Gays, trans, minorities deseve to feel part of moderm society as they are not inherently doing anything immoral in my book. Religion should not have any real power by the gov. Individualism.is not the worst thing. So i am against republicans on that. But not so loose that people can feel like they can do whatever. Disrespect police, be a public nuisance, interfere with meritocracy, and have weakened collectivist values. actually i don't really know what separates republicans from liberals. Is it religion? Gay issues? Collectivist or individualism??

As long as she isn't a prejudiced person because of religion. And values her parents and larger society. That's ok for me.

But if I was american, i wouldn't vote for Hillary but only because she is more of a warmonger than people realise. And i never respected Trump so probably would go for bernie. So democratic socialist. A country must always have a dedicated priority to its people. Increasing the middle class, improving education etc

Anyways i actually find your logic to be disturbing. For one, kkk may have been mostly democrats when it started out a very long time ago. But in the 21st century, it has swiitched to mostly republicans. Attacking democrats for that nowadays is kinda weird.

I'm surprised how many asian guys here are republicans. Don't get me wrong, I completely get how silly news can get when it is written to push a political agenda. You rarely find constructive criticism for the opposition . But just unapologetic demonisation for having different ideologies.

However there are a lot of evangalists ranting about gays and trans. I have to admit i am not a religious person bur more of a humanist. I have no beef with cool christians except when for some reason, in today's society. They think gay is a mental illness instead of just being born. I identify with liberals more on that i do think society is better off with secularism. Less religous bs and like you, my views conflict with people who are evangalists. Who are most likely to be republicans. And a lot of republicans spout out racist sh*t so i assumed ethnic minorities wouldn't want to be part of that out of dignity. No offense.

Socialism doesn't increase the middle class. It takes money from those who worked for it and gives it to those who don't or don't work as hard. The Government isn't there to support you. It seems like the more power we give the government the more we pay and the less efficient it becomes.

So blaming the Democrats for creating the KKK is "disturbing" even tho it's historically factual , but yet there are people today are still blaming the whites of today for Slavery...funny how that logic only works one way...

Why is it a surprise there are Asian republicans? Maybe it's not the the "news" that made us Republican. Maybe it's just we agree with the party that supports a free market?

How do you know those who spout racist sht are Republicans, and does one persons action regardless of their political belief define and entire group? I have way more friends who are Hispanic, Asian and black who are republicans. It's funny because we're attacked by white liberals for thinking different. As for the LGBTQ I really don't care. I was at a drag show 2 nights ago...with my gay friend.. Why do people just generalize all republicans as Christians, then assume they're anti lgbtq then assume they're racist.

chan2417 wrote: But i think ultimately a society should have rules. Not so strict that people can't be themselves within reason. Gays, trans, minorities deseve to feel part of moderm society as they are not inherently doing anything immoral in my book. Religion should not have any real power by the gov. Individualism.is not the worst thing. So i am against republicans on that. But not so loose that people can feel like they can do whatever. Disrespect police, be a public nuisance, interfere with meritocracy, and have weakened collectivist values. actually i don't really know what separates republicans from liberals. Is it religion? Gay issues? Collectivist or individualism??

As long as she isn't a prejudiced person because of religion. And values her parents and larger society. That's ok for me.

Well in the US you can be free to be LGBTQ there is not restrictions stopping them, they are part of modern society. I live by one of the biggest gay city in the States... Literally they are just like regular people.

You state "not inherently doing anything immoral in my book" exactly "morality" is subjective from person to person that's the issue. What I think is right you might think is wrong. And how are republicans forcing religion to give the government power?

You're from HK, but you are wanting policies similar to that of China? Aren't you guys protesting China right now?

thenuge88 wrote: I consider myself a classic liberal, and voted democrat when I first turned 18. I love having open dialogue and hearing differing opinions even if it's "anti" who ever I supported. I started questioning the president I elected and got attacked for it. During the 2016 election I was pro Hilary and Anti-Trump and I kept hearing all these negative things about this guy and one day I decided to look in how "bad" Trump was...and it was all just exaggerated, stretched out misleading information. I started noticing how bias the media was for Hilary vs Trump and hated that.

I notice how subjective the media was, projecting there opinion and thought as factual news and how much they are more like propaganda machines and I slowly fell down the rabbit hole.

I started having more conservative views and started getting attacked and losing my liberal friends and family. I've dated a lot of liberal women, they all slowly started becoming more conservative the more we talked, except for one who called me a racist bigot even tho the democrats are the party of the KKK, Jim crow and slavery, and no they never switched sides, but she didn't care about history or facts for that matter.

As for the mass shootings, they are defined by 4 or more deaths in a single incident. For example a gang related shooting that left 4 dead is considered a mass shooting, or a drive by that leave 4 dead also considered a mass shooting. The vast majority is "mass shootings" are drug/gang related but the news will only politicize and weaponized certain ones for their political gains and it makes me sick.

That being said I am all red, white and blue now plus pro constitution. My family fled communism for a free market and we all succeeded I wouldn't want the US to be any other way.

that's the irony about most Liberals.. calling others facists, racists, bigot while doxxing, firing, silencing, or even beating up those who disagree with their ideology. they dont care about facts.. only their "feelings". they don't do their own homework, they just rely on mainstream media. it's sad cos most of them are intellectual people who got brainwashed just because they are too lazy to fact check and do their own research..



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thenuge88 wrote: You're from HK, but you are wanting policies similar to that of China? Aren't you guys protesting China right now?

Not hong konger. Chinese mainland citizen.

China gov is effective but flawed. I don't think any government out there is perfect. A human right is to expect your country to give you a good life, a safer one and meaningful. A human right is also to voice your opinions and protest. But ultimately it's not that straightforward to always have max both in every place.

My dad was one of the student protesters at 89. He was young and the protest did not happen the way the west media described it. It's just black information for the impressionable who don't do their research. And a smear campaign that only relies on ignorance.

Birth of a Massacre Myth - Japan Times

Regardless that was China back then. My dad has changed his perspective as he witnessed the changes in the last 3 decades.

Hong kong protesters are just people who think mass democracy is better than a state meritocracy. They point at the macau hk zuhai bridge and call it a white elephant. I point at it and call it a  step forward for an innovation economy of greater bay area.

China Is Building The World's Largest Innovation Economy

The problem is that the system that hk protesters want conflict with what mainlanders want and only one can be the primary. 


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And what communist country did you flee?

Seems some westerners like you, still think china is legitimately full communist. It makes me realise they curse communism yet don't even know the full definition. Or know that legit communism never existed in the entire history of man. 

Don't forget china was once a democracy and unbridled capitalist. The masses were angry at that system, overthrew it and created one that origjnated to grow china's middle class population and communism was initially flirted with. Hence the name of gov but in reality, china was never and will never become communist. We follow a few points  from the manifesto like free state education, progressive tax, state owned transport, etc but that communist end goal has long been trashed.

China is a socialist democracy where we have 80 million politicians who have family and friends with the masses. We don't have a 1.4 billion democracy. We have 80 million strong democracy who wants to make china a good place to live and be proud of. You're an american and i am sure you want the same for your country. But i know what american democracy is and not impressed.