Weird komments on people's looks

justvisiting wrote:
the protest matter sound quite polarizing from this guy's perspective whichever side you support....

Misled Hate  


I met some good people here but am disgusted by the blatant hate that some commenters have here for me. It's like dealing with protesters all over again with the infuriating ignorance of chinese. I don't want to be this angry anymore so like Jason, I am prob leaving too.

To flowers4ophelia, Don't change your profile pic on my accord. I was angry but that was during a momentary dark period. If you want to support the protests or go against china. Then it would be wrong for me to stop and make you feel you need to walk on eggshells around me. That's not my intention.

I do however believe if y'all want to judge someone. Make sure you understand them..

I don't want to say this before but I have mainlander relatives who are in hk who have been victimised just for being mainlanders. And it was hard for me to not take it personally. To see people disrespecting me over a part of my life that is painful for me. I don't want to be here to save my sanity. I have an uncle who was hospitalised not that long ago and so to see flower4ophelia appear to support the protest. Anger turned me into a stupid crazy guy.

I'm not wanting to make excuses for myself but that is the truth..if you were in my shoes and you saw someone support those rioters, what would you have done?

I am protective of my family but i know I stepped out of line. So I am sorry about that. And want flower4ophelia to know that my last intention is to punish people who don't even deserve it. But i want the same exact way for my family.

I actually thought you looked like an angel in your original profile pic. I don't think you're a bad person and i don't blame you for blocking me.. But i wish we knew each other at less crazed man circumstances.. 你让我想成为一个更好的人

Also thank you Krystal777 and Aimée for being kind penpals.

Ob2 wrote:

justvisiting wrote:
the protest matter sound quite polarizing from this guy's perspective whichever side you support....

Misled Hate  


I met some good people here but am disgusted by the blatant hate that some commenters have here for me. It's like dealing with protesters all over again with the infuriating ignorance of chinese. I don't want to be this angry anymore so like Jason, I am prob leaving too.

To flowers4ophelia, Don't change your profile pic on my accord. I was angry but that was during a momentary dark period. If you want to support the protests or go against china. Then it would be wrong for me to stop and make you feel you need to walk on eggshells around me. That's not my intention.

I do however believe if y'all want to judge someone. Make sure you understand them..

I don't want to say this before but I have mainlander relatives who are in hk who have been victimised just for being mainlanders. And it was hard for me to not take it personally. To see people disrespecting me over a part of my life that is painful for me. I don't want to be here to save my sanity. I have an uncle who was hospitalised not that long ago and so to see flower4ophelia appear to support the protest. Anger turned me into a stupid crazy guy.

I'm not wanting to make excuses for myself but that is the truth..if you were in my shoes and you saw someone support those rioters, what would you have done?

I am protective of my family but i know I stepped out of line. So I am sorry about that. And want flower4ophelia to know that my last intention is to punish people who don't even deserve it. But i want the same exact way for my family.

I actually thought you looked like an angel in your original profile pic. I don't think you're a bad person and i don't blame you for blocking me.. But i wish we knew each other at less crazed man circumstances.. 你让我想成为一个更好的人

Also thank you Krystal777 and Aimée for being kind penpals.

nice story if your mainlander relatives in hk being bullied by hong kongers is true ....how many hong kongers are like that ,sure we cant dismiss extermist people anywhere...


you dont have to support ccp's oppression to eradicate hk's democratic way of life and freedom, then whos gonna have beef with you?

we want mr. justvisiting in chat!!! we want mr, justvisiting in chat!!! cam up braaahhh!!!

Ob2 wrote:

justvisiting wrote:
the protest matter sound quite polarizing from this guy's perspective whichever side you support....

Misled Hate  


I met some good people here but am disgusted by the blatant hate that some commenters have here for me. It's like dealing with protesters all over again with the infuriating ignorance of chinese. I don't want to be this angry anymore so like Jason, I am prob leaving too.

To flowers4ophelia, Don't change your profile pic on my accord. I was angry but that was during a momentary dark period. If you want to support the protests or go against china. Then it would be wrong for me to stop and make you feel you need to walk on eggshells around me. That's not my intention.

I do however believe if y'all want to judge someone. Make sure you understand them..

I don't want to say this before but I have mainlander relatives who are in hk who have been victimised just for being mainlanders. And it was hard for me to not take it personally. To see people disrespecting me over a part of my life that is painful for me. I don't want to be here to save my sanity. I have an uncle who was hospitalised not that long ago and so to see flower4ophelia appear to support the protest. Anger turned me into a stupid crazy guy.

I'm not wanting to make excuses for myself but that is the truth..if you were in my shoes and you saw someone support those rioters, what would you have done?

I am protective of my family but i know I stepped out of line. So I am sorry about that. And want flower4ophelia to know that my last intention is to punish people who don't even deserve it. But i want the same exact way for my family.

I actually thought you looked like an angel in your original profile pic. I don't think you're a bad person and i don't blame you for blocking me.. But i wish we knew each other at less crazed man circumstances.. 你让我想成为一个更好的人

Also thank you Krystal777 and Aimée for being kind penpals.

Your welcome,If you ever need me i will be there for you.Maybe not in person but you can write me anytime.Hope you and your family stay safe during these dark moments you are going through.Much love..

People say mean stuff when they are jealous and want you to feel as miserable as they do. Never let anyone decide how you should feel about yourselves. You're all beautiful. specially if you're Asian.

Ob2 wrote:

justvisiting wrote:
the protest matter sound quite polarizing from this guy's perspective whichever side you support....

Misled Hate  


I met some good people here but am disgusted by the blatant hate that some commenters have here for me. It's like dealing with protesters all over again with the infuriating ignorance of chinese. I don't want to be this angry anymore so like Jason, I am prob leaving too.

To flowers4ophelia, Don't change your profile pic on my accord. I was angry but that was during a momentary dark period. If you want to support the protests or go against china. Then it would be wrong for me to stop and make you feel you need to walk on eggshells around me. That's not my intention.

I do however believe if y'all want to judge someone. Make sure you understand them..

I don't want to say this before but I have mainlander relatives who are in hk who have been victimised just for being mainlanders. And it was hard for me to not take it personally. To see people disrespecting me over a part of my life that is painful for me. I don't want to be here to save my sanity. I have an uncle who was hospitalised not that long ago and so to see flower4ophelia appear to support the protest. Anger turned me into a stupid crazy guy.

I'm not wanting to make excuses for myself but that is the truth..if you were in my shoes and you saw someone support those rioters, what would you have done?

I am protective of my family but i know I stepped out of line. So I am sorry about that. And want flower4ophelia to know that my last intention is to punish people who don't even deserve it. But i want the same exact way for my family.

I actually thought you looked like an angel in your original profile pic. I don't think you're a bad person and i don't blame you for blocking me.. But i wish we knew each other at less crazed man circumstances.. 你让我想成为一个更好的人

Also thank you Krystal777 and Aimée for being kind penpals.

I do hope you dont let things on these posts bother you and that you do come back..

@Just Visiting. I live nearby to Hong Kong and you are right that is indeed polarising.

You hate the ccp. Take it out on the ccp. Leave normal mainlanders alone. Protesters don't have a right to hound a mandarin speaking JPMorgan Banker and tell him to go back to mainland and then cheer boorishly after one douche assault him simply for saying back  "we are all chinese people" - to remind that non gov chinese civillians shouldn't fight amongst themselves and he's not really a foriegner and HK is his home.



You may say i am the enemy of that ‘hk's democratic way of life and freedom, ’ if I simply don’t support them. Nein.  I don't support nativist hate and their riot on destroying HK economy as that does not help them and hence need to think beyond apple media.

Kevin Zeese understands me. He is an American lawyer and political activist who helped organize the 2011 Occupy encampment in Washington, DC. He wants HK to thrive like me. Is he a troll or just someone who doesn't want hk to be used?

popularresistance.or...-kong-protests/

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Secondly as for the proposed extradition bill that has been dropped. It outlined that suspected criminals could only be extradited if the crime falls under a list of 37 types of offenses and offenses carrying a maximum sentence of at least seven years.

These offenses include rape, murder, kidnapping, exploitation/abuse of children, genocide, those relating to women or girls, etc Hong Kong Courts, and not Beijing, would have the final say on any extradition. None of the crimes included in the extradition bill included political dissent, subversion, or organizing against the government.

Something that apple daily always leaves out.

liberationschool.org...kong-and-china/

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In the bay area, we have a a term called ‘高分低能’ (High mark low ability for literal translation, but this term is for hong kongers who are smart in academics but suck at basic skills like people skills, tying shoelaces, and basic practical street smarts etc.

Those rioters are only making mainlanders hate them. They have no practicality but just destroying their city's economy despite they can never actually be independant from china. They alienate mainlanders by burning flags and waving the colonial british  flag.  And wave the flag of america who is in a trade war with China and the trump administration is not really interested in seeing HK thrive. 

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I read apple daily too.  In Apple Daily for over a decade, Those protesters were narrowly promised their economic woes will be over by simply overthrowing the gov. They were never even given an actual plan that explains how to solve economic issues and instead the media overly focuses on the gov and not the REAL larger reasons behind the economic inequality.

~But harnessing people’s frustration and oversimpifying the causation to the gov excessively in an oportunistic manner. It’s too easy to blame the gov plus mainlanders but scary to attack the major corporations and rich landowners that they depend on for their careers. It's taking advantage of people with genuine greivances by partisan defenders of economic freedom.

The worst part is that Apple Daily boss is a stong defender of economic freedom and "trickle down economics" which is code for the rich pissng on the poor. He don't care about social welfare or reducing the city's dependance on rich foriegn western companies.




Macau is also 1 country 2 systems but is fortunate to depend more on the mainland for services and its casino income and china mainland is kinder and more accepting towards Macau's social welfare alignment. Unlike non chinese foriegn corps, chinese state businesses won't leave Macau just because they raise social welfare and establish universal basic income aka Wealth Partaking Scheme.  They are not as dependant on foriegn tax haven business like Hk so they can pull that off.

thediplomat.com/2014...s-is-a-success/

Shenzhen, my city has also risen fast and its economic prowress sparks bitterness from hong kongers. "In Shenzhen, wages have increased 8 percent every year, and more than 1 million new, public, green housing units at low rates are nearing completion." hong kongers see faster growth in its next door neighbor and they percieve that they are being cheated somehow.

www.workers.org/2019/08/43303/

And the sheer irony was that the infamous Hk macau Zhuhai bridge was built as a phase to help more domestic businesses in Hk so they won't be as severly dependant on foriegn clients. Less dependance means they can reduce economic freedom,  increase social welfare and not collapse economically when all the foriegn rich predictably leave HK for a a more corp friendly  tax haven when the other shoe finally falls.


www.forbes.com/sites...y/#5bb0cb266fd4

www.scmp.com/propert...reater-bay-area

The only real winners here are Shenzhen, Singapore, Macau, Zhuhai as China realises it really can not depend on hong kong anymore. So all that innovation cluster mainland GREATER BAY AREA investments prebiously allocated for hk is now set to be diverted to macau, shenzhen and zhuhai instead. The hong kong protesters are the losers and as they close the city down, preventing people going to work throw petrol bombs everywhere and block children going to school. and think too simpliistic. How does destroying hk help Hk? They just signed away their future and my city shenzhen benefits yet i am not that happy.

Ob2 wrote: @Just Visiting. I live nearby to Hong Kong and you are right that is indeed polarising.

You hate the ccp. Take it out on the ccp. Leave normal mainlanders alone. Protesters don't have a right to hound a mandarin speaking JPMorgan Banker and tell him to go back to mainland and then cheer boorishly after one douche assault him simply for saying back  "we are all chinese people" - to remind that non gov chinese civillians shouldn't fight amongst themselves and he's not really a foriegner and HK is his home.

You may say i am the enemy of that ‘hk's democratic way of life and freedom, ’ if I simply don’t support them. Nein.  I don't support nativist hate and their riot on destroying HK economy as that does not help them and hence need to think beyond apple media.

Kevin Zeese understands me. He is an American lawyer and political activist who helped organize the 2011 Occupy encampment in Washington, DC. He wants HK to thrive like me. Is he a troll or just someone who doesn't want hk to be used?

popularresistance.or...-kong-protests/

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Secondly as for the proposed extradition bill that has been dropped. It outlined that suspected criminals could only be extradited if the crime falls under a list of 37 types of offenses and offenses carrying a maximum sentence of at least seven years.

These offenses include rape, murder, kidnapping, exploitation/abuse of children, genocide, those relating to women or girls, etc Hong Kong Courts, and not Beijing, would have the final say on any extradition. None of the crimes included in the extradition bill included political dissent, subversion, or organizing against the government.

Something that apple daily always leaves out.

liberationschool.org...kong-and-china/

-

In the bay area, we have a a term called ‘高分低能’ (High mark low ability for literal translation, but this term is for hong kongers who are smart in academics but suck at basic skills like people skills, tying shoelaces, and basic practical street smarts etc.

Those rioters are only making mainlanders hate them. They have no practicality but just destroying their city's economy despite they can never actually be independant from china. They alienate mainlanders by burning flags and waving the colonial british  flag.  And wave the flag of america who is in a trade war with China and the trump administration is not really interested in seeing HK thrive. 

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I read apple daily too.  In Apple Daily for over a decade, Those protesters were narrowly promised their economic woes will be over by simply overthrowing the gov. They were never even given an actual plan that explains how to solve economic issues and instead the media overly focuses on the gov and not the REAL larger reasons behind the economic inequality.

~But harnessing people’s frustration and oversimpifying the causation to the gov excessively in an oportunistic manner. It’s too easy to blame the gov plus mainlanders but scary to attack the major corporations and rich landowners that they depend on for their careers. It's taking advantage of people with genuine greivances by partisan defenders of economic freedom.

The worst part is that Apple Daily boss is a stong defender of economic freedom and "trickle down economics" which is code for the rich pissng on the poor. He don't care about social welfare or reducing the city's dependance on rich foriegn western companies.




Macau is also 1 country 2 systems but is fortunate to depend more on the mainland for services and its casino income and china mainland is kinder and more accepting towards Macau's social welfare alignment. Unlike non chinese foriegn corps, chinese state businesses won't leave Macau just because they raise social welfare and establish universal basic income aka Wealth Partaking Scheme.  They are not as dependant on foriegn tax haven business like Hk so they can pull that off.

thediplomat.com/2014...s-is-a-success/

Shenzhen, my city has also risen fast and its economic prowress sparks bitterness from hong kongers. "In Shenzhen, wages have increased 8 percent every year, and more than 1 million new, public, green housing units at low rates are nearing completion." hong kongers see faster growth in its next door neighbor and they percieve that they are being cheated somehow.

www.workers.org/2019/08/43303/

And the sheer irony was that the infamous Hk macau Zhuhai bridge was built as a phase to help more domestic businesses in Hk so they won't be as severly dependant on foriegn clients. Less dependance means they can reduce economic freedom,  increase social welfare and not collapse economically when all the foriegn rich predictably leave HK for a a more corp friendly  tax haven when the other shoe finally falls.


www.forbes.com/sites...y/#5bb0cb266fd4

www.scmp.com/propert...reater-bay-area

The only real winners here are Shenzhen, Singapore, Macau, Zhuhai as China realises it really can not depend on hong kong anymore. So all that innovation cluster mainland GREATER BAY AREA investments prebiously allocated for hk is now set to be diverted to macau, shenzhen and zhuhai instead. The hong kong protesters are the losers and as they close the city down, preventing people going to work throw petrol bombs everywhere and block children going to school. and think too simpliistic. How does destroying hk help Hk? They just signed away their future and my city shenzhen benefits yet i am not that happy.

I dont know much about China and all thats going on but it doesnt look good..I am not one for Politics but i feel for the people who get attacked for no good reasons.It is a very sad situation..I am glad im not visiting China right now.My mom told me to stay away due to rioting and other things..She seems to even know more than i do..You living there,of course you know a lot more than the rest of us..

Actually my comments to (Just visiting) took so much effort and strain to explain properly. And i still haven't even come close to clearly explaining it fully.  I fail @ this explanation. Lmao

In junior high school, we do learn about Marxism and Karl Marx and his life stories. What is communism and socialism? What is capitalism, its advantages and disadvantage?

Later in college, curriculum is on class contradictions and contradictions among people, how to solve that and the transfer between each other. + The principal contradiction now in China and how to solve it, what you need to do if you have enough power. "What is Chinese government doing and planning to do in the next 5 to 100 years, the goal we are chasing, middle class development." Etc

Such things are not likely to be regarded as brain-washing. In our textbooks there are no such things as “Capitalism is evil and communism is good ”, we just say that capitalism could not work in 19th China because we had no industries to support market economy.

That's easily understood knowledge that comes easy to college educated mainland chinese. BUT none of that is ever taught in america except that socialism is a taboo word and communism is evil. You can imagine how hard it is to discuss those topics.

It's like explaining to another what the word - "irony" or "meme" means. I know what it means but kinda tough to explain.

And why i usually made up mind to not bother with discussing politics with foriegners. But occasionally i try to make an effort. 7 out of 10 times, it just ends in confusion amd fail tho

Ob2 wrote: Actually my comments to (Just visiting) took so much effort and strain to explain properly. And i still haven't even come close to clearly explaining it fully.  I fail @ this explanation. Lmao

In junior high school, we do learn about Marxism and Karl Marx and his life stories. What is communism and socialism? What is capitalism, its advantages and disadvantage?

Later in college, curriculum is on class contradictions and contradictions among people, how to solve that and the transfer between each other. + The principal contradiction now in China and how to solve it, what you need to do if you have enough power. "What is Chinese government doing and planning to do in the next 5 to 100 years, the goal we are chasing, middle class development." Etc

Such things are not likely to be regarded as brain-washing. In our textbooks there are no such things as “Capitalism is evil and communism is good ”, we just say that capitalism could not work in 19th China because we had no industries to support market economy.

That's easily understood knowledge that comes easy to college educated mainland chinese. BUT none of that is ever taught in america except that socialism is a taboo word and communism is evil. You can imagine how hard it is to discuss those topics.

It's like explaining to another what the word - "irony" or "meme" means. I know what it means but kinda tough to explain.

And why i usually made up mind to not bother with discussing politics with foriegners. But occasionally i try to make an effort. 7 out of 10 times, it just ends in confusion amd fail tho

Its ok,some people just dont care to try and understand,sadly if they dont want to,than theres nothing that will change that..But you tried..